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Wireless N
« on: August 24, 2007, 11:54:47 AM »
What do you guys know about wireless N? I know that it's just really coming to light now and that its faster but, right now, is it worth its set-up price?
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Re: Wireless N
« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2007, 12:16:27 PM »
Do you really need to use wireless N?  It's only useful if you are transferring lots of files across your network.  That will be the only benefit realized.
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Re: Wireless N
« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2007, 02:33:19 PM »
My wireless G works fine for everything I want wireless to do, stream media and surf the web on my laptop.

Do people, at least soho/home consumers, really use wireless to its full extent?  I think not.
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Re: Wireless N
« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2007, 04:57:51 PM »
I'm not looking to replace my current set up as none of my computers have N, so its currently no use. I'm just wondering what you guys know or read about it and your personal takes. I think it was Psi that said that the current bottle neck in a home network is the line feeding your residence or something like that.
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Re: Wireless N
« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2007, 07:16:59 PM »
I won't even look at it until they come out with true 802.11n.  No more of this BS pre-N.
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Re: Wireless N
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2007, 02:22:16 PM »
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the current bottle neck in a home network is the line feeding your residence or something like that.

   Most definatly. You figure that with my OOL account I get a MAX of 10Mbps download (doubt it comes close to that typically). 802.11b can handle that with ease. Like Shell said, only reason you would benefit from a faster wireless is if you do a lof of file transfers. When I need to do that, I just jack into a wire.
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Re: Wireless N
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2007, 02:49:45 PM »
I cant ryan cat5 in my apartment, so when downstairs, gotta connect wirelessly but 802.11g more then plenty.
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Re: Wireless N
« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2007, 07:00:10 PM »
In terms of Wireless N, it all depends on what you're looking to do & the specs of your house. (plz correct me at anytime  8))

For those whom already know, wireless G is great for its time; but there's a few problems with G like with any other router(s):

1. Bandwidth cap
2. Signal drop
3. Distance

For those whom have G, should generally get about a 40-60mbps cap before you'd have to refresh your router. Now in terms of signal drop, ex:

 we can just be hangin out in our livingroom & all of a sudden while sending an email, or watching slingbox, or playing games on the net; we just lose connection.... we all hate this part... it happens more w/ wireless B/G routers.


Reason being that they only ping out a signal per certain amount of intervals per sec. Thankfully most of the B/G routers now a day's have full duplex routers, giving those whom are wired in the ability to not lose their connection...but unfortunately you still lose in the wifi department.

Remember during the time these routers were built, considering not much has changed in their designs, except the propietary speed boosting features in some of the routers, or also MIMO, you're really not gona be doing much for an over the average user. For an average user whom likes to just stream some non bulky files, email, chat; the regular B/G is fine, but for those whom aren't an average user, then B/G is not for you.

Now distance, we all know that wireless B/G can send up to a "1000ft range", but in reality all your really gonna get is about 10-400ft of wireless internet. Also in terms of the architecture's of your household, you'll probably get in about the 4 rooms of your household just 3 rooms of wireless.

Now with wireless N, which in its early stages was known as Pre-N; you'll get about 1,000ft range w/ backwards compatibility & some bells & whistles.

What are the advantages towards N?

1. Distance
2. Capable of handling simultaneous throughputs ex: stream hd video, slingbox, games, server
3. Signal loss decreased.
4. Speed

With wireless N, you have the ability of MIMO(multiple input-multiple output), which helps send multiple radio signals per certain amount of intervals, nulling out the wireless deadspots within your household. Due to this, it helps prevent signal loss. More indepth, wifi radio signals change w/ the N from either auto or manual 20/40MHz

With some of the routers, you are able to surpass the dull cap speeds when doing simultaneous throughputs from those pressuring 30-60mbps to the newly 89-240mbps.

In other words, you can be watching in your slingbox somewhere in Florida, while your kid is playing a game that hogs a bit of the resourses from your router, while your daughter is watching a video online.

Depending on the router, you can have a 10/100/1000 router wired wise, but in terms of wifi up to 300mbps. Being able to handle the more throughput, if you have a 4 floor household, you don't need to worry too much about disconnecting your router as much as you used to. There are also several features that N have that B/G never had, but it all depends on the router you get.

If your looking for an N router, I recommend checking into the D-Link Xtreme N 655 or the 855

I forgot to add, with the wifi cap in both, with B, your stuck using 11mbps, G 54-108mbps, N 108-300mbps

There's much more in this that i'll probably leave unsaid for its a huge topic.. but if any questions plz ask (there might be some confusion in what i wrote :-\)
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Re: Wireless N
« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2007, 07:14:19 PM »
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I forgot to add, with the wifi cap in both, with B, your stuck using 11mbps, G 54-108mbps, N 108-300mbps

   Does that mean if my wife uses her laptop (with a 'B' card in it) and I use my laptop with a 'G' card in it at the same time, the 'B' card will drag all wireless connections down the 'B' speed (11Mbps)?
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Re: Wireless N
« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2007, 07:24:57 PM »
Technically, it won't do that unless your using close to the bandwidth cap of your router. The wireless G router, considering its a full duplex router, even in the wifi should differentiate the wifi signals.

It not using close to it cap rate, it would usually stay within the B running at 11mbps & the G running at 54-108mbps. It all depends on what you are doing. This is partially the issue w/ most ppl whom have B/G routers. They'd usually have to go disconnect their routers & modems at times just to be able to get back the speed they'd like.

With the N routers you don't have to worry much about the cap rates
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Re: Wireless N
« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2007, 07:11:48 AM »
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I forgot to add, with the wifi cap in both, with B, your stuck using 11mbps, G 54-108mbps, N 108-300mbps

   Does that mean if my wife uses her laptop (with a 'B' card in it) and I use my laptop with a 'G' card in it at the same time, the 'B' card will drag all wireless connections down the 'B' speed (11Mbps)?

Actually yes, it will.  The Access points or routers dont have the ability to output different signals on the same antennas, even if you router or AP has 2 antenna.

IIRC, and rhcreed can tell you more, we ran into this at the culinary when we covered the campus with wifi.  One 802.11b card dragged everyone connected to that AP down to 11mbps.  We thought it was odd and called our provider at CDWG and he said thats intended, and by design.  The only way to get around that would have multiple access points in the same area fixed to a set speed so you can grab both b and g without them being on the same AP.
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Re: Wireless N
« Reply #11 on: August 31, 2007, 07:53:59 PM »
As said before, I would wait for Wireless N until it has been ratified and teh standard set, as of right now, things could change and then you could be shit out of luck.
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Re: Wireless N
« Reply #12 on: November 18, 2007, 01:59:02 PM »
Wireless N is official now -- And this should be great for me. I'm working on making a automatically uploading/downloading file storage system. Kinda like a manual Mirra. The problem of course is that some of my computers are wireless. Or that was a problem, until now.  :)
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Re: Wireless N
« Reply #13 on: November 23, 2007, 11:15:33 AM »
IPV6 is official too, doesnt mean people are using it ;)
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Re: Wireless N
« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2007, 01:27:29 AM »
But we don't NEED IPV6 yet.  :P
I NEED more wireless bandwidth.
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